FBers are saying Stanley T from Morning Mash Up was the shoulder kisser?!!?I swear she always said it was a higher up, would he not be a co-worker?

Yasu posted in the Facebook group! At first I wasn't sure what I was reading but then I realized who posted it.

Ha ha I am Nicole. Definitely messaged a different Natalya Bailey

so....on that list we have...Taylor's Closet (which I kinda understood not doing it), Taylor's blog, The WUWT website made by Matt and the forum, TayTV, Taylor and Ed videos, her numerous FB pages and social media platforms, Peri-scoping on Tuesdays (remember when that was a thing?)...there's so much.

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Just read this on the support page (where everyone has lost their minds)

"So something interesting... 
just listening to Jenny McCarthy Show and she brought up her new drink ‘Blondies’ and under her breath she said ‘I’m kinda afraid to plug anything now’ 
I totally think she was referring to Taylor plugging the trip and then getting fired."

BethosGirlSC wrote:

WhereIsVictoria wrote:

Remember how she always used to talk about how much guys loved her butt? Stanley was one, as was Rude Jude. I almost think the shoulder kissing was made up, or exaggerated, or even like a practical joke (like when people stand on one side and tap your other shoulder). She always has a spin for situations in her life that paint everyone else like a creep or a jerk. But can anyone remember why she felt so uncomfortable getting her breakfast way back in the day when she used to get egg white omelettes? I swear I thought it was because she felt uncomfortable with a guy in the cafe who would compliment her.

 
I think as uncomfortable as she is with anything sex related that she would spin a harmless flirtation into something more. I don't say that to minimize her feelings about it because she was clearly uncomfortable. I just don't think it takes much to make her uncomfortable.

 
I’m coming to Tays defense on this.....

She’s talked about the shoulder kiss & butt/penis hug multiple times and pretty consistently over the years.

She’s also always said it was a co-worker. That he wasn’t a boss but had some pull in the company.

Also if the flirtation or touching was not asked for, and it genuinely made her uncomfortable that is harassment. Don’t excuse away her experience as her “misunderstanding” what the guy’s intentions were.  And even though you say you’re not trying to minimize her feelings, you very much are by trying to qualify that she has low threshold for tolerance.

SoftPretzels wrote:

BethosGirlSC wrote:

WhereIsVictoria wrote:

Remember how she always used to talk about how much guys loved her butt? Stanley was one, as was Rude Jude. I almost think the shoulder kissing was made up, or exaggerated, or even like a practical joke (like when people stand on one side and tap your other shoulder). She always has a spin for situations in her life that paint everyone else like a creep or a jerk. But can anyone remember why she felt so uncomfortable getting her breakfast way back in the day when she used to get egg white omelettes? I swear I thought it was because she felt uncomfortable with a guy in the cafe who would compliment her.

 
I think as uncomfortable as she is with anything sex related that she would spin a harmless flirtation into something more. I don't say that to minimize her feelings about it because she was clearly uncomfortable. I just don't think it takes much to make her uncomfortable.

 
I’m coming to Tays defense on this.....

She’s talked about the shoulder kiss & butt/penis hug multiple times and pretty consistently over the years.

She’s also always said it was a co-worker. That he wasn’t a boss but had some pull in the company.

Also if the flirtation or touching was not asked for, and it genuinely made her uncomfortable that is harassment. Don’t excuse away her experience as her “misunderstanding” what the guy’s intentions were.  And even though you say you’re not trying to minimize her feelings, you very much are by trying to qualify that she has low threshold for tolerance.

 
Thank you soft, you put it great! We need to stop excusing away harassment!

micdrop wrote:

so....on that list we have...Taylor's Closet (which I kinda understood not doing it), Taylor's blog, The WUWT website made by Matt and the forum, TayTV, Taylor and Ed videos, her numerous FB pages and social media platforms, Peri-scoping on Tuesdays (remember when that was a thing?)...there's so much.

 
Don't forget all the Wake Up merch that was for sale at the comedy shows (and briefly on the website?).

SoftPretzels wrote:

BethosGirlSC wrote:

WhereIsVictoria wrote:

Remember how she always used to talk about how much guys loved her butt? Stanley was one, as was Rude Jude. I almost think the shoulder kissing was made up, or exaggerated, or even like a practical joke (like when people stand on one side and tap your other shoulder). She always has a spin for situations in her life that paint everyone else like a creep or a jerk. But can anyone remember why she felt so uncomfortable getting her breakfast way back in the day when she used to get egg white omelettes? I swear I thought it was because she felt uncomfortable with a guy in the cafe who would compliment her.

 
I think as uncomfortable as she is with anything sex related that she would spin a harmless flirtation into something more. I don't say that to minimize her feelings about it because she was clearly uncomfortable. I just don't think it takes much to make her uncomfortable.

 
I’m coming to Tays defense on this.....

She’s talked about the shoulder kiss & butt/penis hug multiple times and pretty consistently over the years.

She’s also always said it was a co-worker. That he wasn’t a boss but had some pull in the company.

Also if the flirtation or touching was not asked for, and it genuinely made her uncomfortable that is harassment. Don’t excuse away her experience as her “misunderstanding” what the guy’s intentions were.  And even though you say you’re not trying to minimize her feelings, you very much are by trying to qualify that she has low threshold for tolerance.

 
Ok, you have completely misunderstood/misconstrued what I wrote. There is no need to defend Tay as I said nothing against her. If anyone has something happen to them unsolicited and inappropriate, it is 1000% harassment. My point was I think Taylor has a lower comfort threshold than others so her story of harassment may not seem to be to others. It still is and I never said it wasn't.

SorryNotSorry wrote:

Self-aware wrote:

I'm so glad I'm not the only one bothered by Carin!  I saw the first few seconds of her FB video but just couldn't watch it.  It's great if people find her helpful, but I just don't see it.

Disclaimer:  I only got to page two on this thread so I didn't see if it was mentioned elsewhere BUT... On Carin's page it says that the majority of Purpose Girl's business was from WakeUp.  I would be crying, too...

 
Yet Taylor brought Carin on the show as a "Happiness Guru" and led listeners to believe this was a legit person to listen to.  IF her business didn't take off until WUWT exposure, then she was a nobody when she started on the show. Sheds a lot more light on that hard push for webinars & retreats. It wasn't solely Taylor trying to make $ off listeners, but Carin pushing it more than I ever thought she was.

greattaste wrote:

I forgot about the Taylor and Ed video thing! Ha ha did they finish their "season" as promised for that or just do like 2 episodes?

 
Great Taste- this isn’t about Ed (yet) but since you have a background in psychology... is there some type of syndrome or condition where people actually start to believe someone is their very, very best friend when they’ve only listened to them on the radio for 1-10 years and never really met them IRL? I’m curious if that’s why all of the FB people are acting batshit crazy... they truly believe she is their best friend. (Well, and the way she treats her friends; never calls or texts them; goes out with them; etc. they might as well be one! They are treated the same!)

As for Ed... did anyone hear her describe Ed to Carly last Friday— (or maybe it was earlier...It was before the Wine and Food Festival)? I thought he was happily married?? She told Carly that he was going to be a ‘dirty man’ and say things to her that she would need to just ignore. That’s just Ed. Carly made the comment that it was the Wine and Food Festival, not the Wine and Flirt Festival! Taylor made it sound like Ed was really creepy.

FKCSTMom wrote:

greattaste wrote:

I forgot about the Taylor and Ed video thing! Ha ha did they finish their "season" as promised for that or just do like 2 episodes?

 
Great Taste- this isn’t about Ed (yet) but since you have a background in psychology... is there some type of syndrome or condition where people actually start to believe someone is their very, very best friend when they’ve only listened to them on the radio for 1-10 years and never really met them IRL? I’m curious if that’s why all of the FB people are acting batshit crazy... they truly believe she is their best friend. (Well, and the way she treats her friends; never calls or texts them; goes out with them; etc. they might as well be one! They are treated the same!)

As for Ed... did anyone hear her describe Ed to Carly last Friday—� (or maybe it was earlier...It was before the Wine and Food Festival)? I thought he was happily married?? She told Carly that he was going to be a ‘dirty man’ and say things to her that she would need to just ignore. That’s just Ed. Carly made the comment that it was the Wine and Food Festival, not the Wine and Flirt Festival! Taylor made it sound like Ed was really creepy.

​I heard this and it struck me as really strange as well. 
 

SoftPretzels wrote:

BethosGirlSC wrote:

SoftPretzels wrote:

 
I’m coming to Tays defense on this.....

She’s talked about the shoulder kiss & butt/penis hug multiple times and pretty consistently over the years.

She’s also always said it was a co-worker. That he wasn’t a boss but had some pull in the company.

Also if the flirtation or touching was not asked for, and it genuinely made her uncomfortable that is harassment. Don’t excuse away her experience as her “misunderstanding” what the guy’s intentions were.  And even though you say you’re not trying to minimize her feelings, you very much are by trying to qualify that she has low threshold for tolerance.

 
Ok, you have completely misunderstood/misconstrued what I wrote. There is no need to defend Tay as I said nothing against her. If anyone has something happen to them unsolicited and inappropriate, it is 1000% harassment. My point was I think Taylor has a lower comfort threshold than others so her story of harassment may not seem to be to others. It still is and I never said it wasn't.

And you are still minimizing her experience because she has a “low comfort threshold.” You can mean no harm and still be perpetuating a societal belief about sexual harassment/assault culture. It doesn’t make you a bad person. It just means you need to be open to criticism, reflect and grow.
 

 
I beg to differ. I know my intent. I will not have your interpretation turn what I said into something I didn't.

FKCSTMom wrote:

 
Great Taste- this isn’t about Ed (yet) but since you have a background in psychology... is there some type of syndrome or condition where people actually start to believe someone is their very, very best friend when they’ve only listened to them on the radio for 1-10 years and never really met them IRL? I’m curious if that’s why all of the FB people are acting batshit crazy... they truly believe she is their best friend. (Well, and the way she treats her friends; never calls or texts them; goes out with them; etc. they might as well be one! They are treated the same!)

You could classify it as delusional thinking. In actuality, as I understand it, our brains react similarly when we hear a familiar person on the radio or TV the same as when we see our friends. I read a study about this once. Not sure of the complete details.

However, I would say that what it really is is the defense mechanism splitting, where the ego needs to make something all good or all bad. We all do it to an extent to avoid cognitive dissonance (when our thoughts/feelings/attitudes don't match), but some do it more than others. This is why being able to delve in to ambiguity and nuance is so important, while black and white thinking can be so detrimental.

I think if you look around at pop culture and beyond a lot of people are looking for someone to idolize, potentially due to a lack of a model in childhood or not feeling sure of who they are and feeling a need to feel like there is something/someone that is entirely good in the world. Additionally, a lot of people feel the need to scapegoat, as you can see with the people who want people to leave the chatroom in certain places (they put the blame on someone who is bringing up fair criticisms instead of on Taylor where it belongs).

Both of these things are ways of misplacing love/hate most likely from other areas in their life where they have unresolved conflicts and haven't really worked through everything.

Your question may have been hypothetical, but that is my analysis

WhereIsVictoria wrote:

SoftPretzels wrote:

WhereIsVictoria wrote:

We aren't excusing away harassment.  Taylor has a habit of exaggerating situations to make the stories more fantastic. See the Justin Bieber/getting fired story as an example. I am speculating that she used some weird flirtation situation as an example of harassment so she could make the Weinstein story relate to her life. Nobody is saying it's okay to harass someone.

 
1: unwanted flirting/touching is harassment.....

So although you’re quantifying this instance as a “weird flirtation situation” it was in fact harassment.

2: she’s told this story too many times, too consistently with little to no deviation over the years for me to believe it didn’t happen.

 
Persistent unwanted flirtation is harassment. The persistent part is required. And none of us knows what really happened, so no. I'm not saying harassment is okay. She tells lots of stories over and over, that doesn't mean any of them are 100% true.

 
You’re absolutely incorrect.

Unwanted/1 sided flirtation is harassment.
http://www.californialegalteam.com/sexual-harassment-and-flirting/

http://www.pamf.org/teen/abc/sex/flirting.html


Just because it falls into a gray area we’ve been conditioned culturally and as a society does not make it any less harassment.