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Certain government programs - the military, 911, police/fire and public works - are necessary and unavoidable. The 16th amendment provides for taxation for the general defense and welfare of the country. Anything beyond that, and that does not benefit all citizens, is unacceptable to me.
Regarding public schools- even though some people do not have children or send their children to private schools, society as a whole benefits from having generally educated citizens.
Regarding social security - I am completely against this. It should be optional at best. If you are too irresponsible to ensure you will have sufficient resources when you retire, that's on you (back to that personal responsibility thing again). The government has completely failed in their fiduciary duty to social security and it is an absolute fact that you would be better off investing that money on your own.
Think about how our society could thrive if we had highly educated citizens!
You can opt out of Social Security, the Amish do it. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this issue. You cannot expect an uneducated person working a minimum wage job their entire life to have money to save for retirement. There are so many factors that contribute to this it would be impossible to get into here.
I would recommend this article, it's very easy to understand and shows the breakdown of the budget, it's interesting how things are categorized. If you have kids and get to claim the Earned Income Tax Credit, that's a safety net program. Would I berate someone for claiming that? Are they a leech on the system? No. It's something they qualify for that gives them a little break in April. A little something extra to save or spend (stimulating the economy!) anyway, not trying to preach or argue, just thought it was interesting!
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^ I agree with all of that.
Civil discourse, girlfriend! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼💗
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Certain government programs - the military, 911, police/fire and public works - are necessary and unavoidable. The 16th amendment provides for taxation for the general defense and welfare of the country. Anything beyond that, and that does not benefit all citizens, is unacceptable to me.
Regarding public schools- even though some people do not have children or send their children to private schools, society as a whole benefits from having generally educated citizens.
Regarding social security - I am completely against this. It should be optional at best. If you are too irresponsible to ensure you will have sufficient resources when you retire, that's on you (back to that personal responsibility thing again). The government has completely failed in their fiduciary duty to social security and it is an absolute fact that you would be better off investing that money on your own.
Think about how our society could thrive if we had highly educated citizens!
You can opt out of Social Security, the Amish do it. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this issue. You cannot expect an uneducated person working a minimum wage job their entire life to have money to save for retirement. There are so many factors that contribute to this it would be impossible to get into here.
I would recommend this article, it's very easy to understand and shows the breakdown of the budget, it's interesting how things are categorized. If you have kids and get to claim the Earned Income Tax Credit, that's a safety net program. Would I berate someone for claiming that? Are they a leech on the system? No. It's something they qualify for that gives them a little break in April. A little something extra to save or spend (stimulating the economy!) anyway, not trying to preach or argue, just thought it was interesting!
I'm an accountant, and it's news to me that any and every citizen who wishes to opt out of social security can legally do so. Can you provide a link with information on this? As far as I know, unless you are a member of one of the recognized religious organizations or fall into one of a handful of other fairly narrow and obscure categories, you must pay into social security.
I might be from the Sunshine State, but I can still be a little shady.🌴
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But tell me how getting everything in life free will help? I worked hard to get to college, worked hard in college, and am now working hard to pay it all off. Nothing should be free.
No offense but you're part of the problem. Did you attend public school? If so did you or your parents pay for your K-12 education? Are you aware that college tuition at public universities used to be free or at least affordable?
Is it absurd to believe that everyone in arguably the richest country in the world should have access to free medical care?
What about requiring companies to pay an affordable living wage? Is that crazy too? No one should be killing themselves working full time and more to still be in poverty......
Have you by chance researched the candidates or are you just using talking points spoon fed to you by Fox News and CNN?
When over 170 TOP economists, people who live numbers, endorse a candidate and his plan over any other candidates because it is the best one for the struggling middle class I am going to pay closer attention to that candidate in question.....because people clearly smarter than you or I have found this person has offered solutions to many of our countries problems.Wouldn't it be nice to have a conversation rather than attack me for my views? I won't respond to your post due to the connotation that I do not think for myself, therefore I am "the problem." I will say, it's pretty clear that Trump is not the solution.
I'm going to go ahead and apologize for coming off rude..... That was uncalled for.....
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I was just saying it is possible (I.e. The Amish people in my area opt out), I wasn't saying any and everyone can. More of a joke that fell flat 😁
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There are two things I can't stand about Trump supporters. Just like you all said, when they claim he tells it like it is. Um no, he lies. Here's a good article about that:
The other is when they say that no one else will be able to balance the budget. His companies have filed for bankruptcy four time.
I also hate when republicans get all the blame for Trump. The people voting for him are not necessarily people who have voted before. They are angry Republicans, angry Democrats, and angry Independents. The common theme is that they are against establishment politics. Surprisingly there's even a good portion of Trump supporters who would vote for Sanders if Trump wasn't in the race. They both represent the anti-politics to the people even though they are vastly different candidates.
The thing is, we really need a moderate in the White House in order to get anything done. Sanders is a good guy, no doubt about that. But his policies will never get past Congress.
My candidate is Kasich. No one's perfect in this race, but he comes the closest to aligning to my views.
It's unfair to blame Trump solely on the republicans.....but I do think the tea-party extremists need to take on a good 80-90% of the blame.....there's been a strong discourse and nastiness towards the president since he's gotten into office...... And a lot of the GOP Politcians sound like they are talking out of both sides of their neck..... They'll condemn Trump in one breath but then reinforce anything he's been saying by being disrespectful to the president.... Speaker Ryan and I believe McConnell (can't remember his name but he looks like a fish) are two of the biggest culprits
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I was just saying it is possible (I.e. The Amish people in my area opt out), I wasn't saying any and everyone can. More of a joke that fell flat 😁
Ha no worries! That seems to be a common hazard in e-comminication. There is a guy at my company that works remotely and I thought he was a total d*ck for the longest time because his e-mails were so rude. When I finally met him in person I realized he is just really funny/sarcastic and actually nice, but it definitely didn't translate well! ☺️
And...I genuinely wanted to know if I had missed a memo somewhere along the line because I would LOVE to be able to invest that money on my own.
I might be from the Sunshine State, but I can still be a little shady.🌴
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It's all good girl! I've always thought we need a special font for sarcasm lol! 😊
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It's all good girl! I've always thought we need a special font for sarcasm lol! 😊
Genius!
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I heard Tay briefly mention Bernie after she got back from Turks. She said she was planning to vote for who her parents like... Then she mentioned Bernie. Thumbs up to Babette and Dr. S if they truly are supporting/voting for Bernie!
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I heard Tay briefly mention Bernie after she got back from Turks. She said she was planning to vote for who her parents like... Then she mentioned Bernie. Thumbs up to Babette and Dr. S if they truly are supporting/voting for Bernie!
I heard that too.... But I wonder if Dr. Strecker opposes the Affordable Care Act why does he support Senator Sanders with his Medicare for all plans?
Also side note: pretty excited but I'm going to a Bernie rally this weekend.
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I heard Tay briefly mention Bernie after she got back from Turks. She said she was planning to vote for who her parents like... Then she mentioned Bernie. Thumbs up to Babette and Dr. S if they truly are supporting/voting for Bernie!
I heard that too.... But I wonder if Dr. Strecker opposes the Affordable Care Act why does he support Senator Sanders with his Medicare for all plans?
Also side note: pretty excited but I'm going to a Bernie rally this weekend.
Awesome! I wanted to go in Columbus last Sunday so bad!
I feel like physician/hospital reimbursement would probably increase just due the efficiency and cost savings in a single payer system. Lots of administrative costs especially When a doctor might accept maybe 50 different insurance companies. I do physician credentialing right now for a hospital (basically HR for doctors - background checks, verifying their education, license, certifications, DEA, malpractice insurance, references, etc). Every different insurance company they accept (patients insurance) has to do the exact same thing, and every hospital they work at has to do the same thing. If we had a. Secure central database where all of that info could be verified, it would save so much time and money. Also we could negotiate pharmaceutical and medical equipment costs. Those are just two small examples, but you get the point. I'm assuming that is why he might be for it.
With the ACA, to simplify it, they basically start out w/ a flat rate of reimbursement, but can earn bonuses basically by meeting certain goals like implementing electronic medical records, e-prescribing, meeting certain quality measures, etc. I think those are all great ideas, but those things can be expensive and cumbersome to implement. I think the ACA accomplished a lot of good, but it's still a for-profit system, and a single payer system would be more efficient and would control costs for everyone.
Holy shit I just wrote a novel. 😳
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Where did the edit button go?
*flat rate of reimbursement for Medicare/Medicaid (other private insurances still negotiate their own reimbursement rates, generally higher than what CMS pays)
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I heard Tay briefly mention Bernie after she got back from Turks. She said she was planning to vote for who her parents like... Then she mentioned Bernie. Thumbs up to Babette and Dr. S if they truly are supporting/voting for Bernie!
I heard that too.... But I wonder if Dr. Strecker opposes the Affordable Care Act why does he support Senator Sanders with his Medicare for all plans?
Also side note: pretty excited but I'm going to a Bernie rally this weekend.
Awesome! I wanted to go in Columbus last Sunday so bad!
I feel like physician/hospital reimbursement would probably increase just due the efficiency and cost savings in a single payer system. Lots of administrative costs especially When a doctor might accept maybe 50 different insurance companies. I do physician credentialing right now for a hospital (basically HR for doctors - background checks, verifying their education, license, certifications, DEA, malpractice insurance, references, etc). Every different insurance company they accept (patients insurance) has to do the exact same thing, and every hospital they work at has to do the same thing. If we had a. Secure central database where all of that info could be verified, it would save so much time and money. Also we could negotiate pharmaceutical and medical equipment costs. Those are just two small examples, but you get the point. I'm assuming that is why he might be for it.
With the ACA, to simplify it, they basically start out w/ a flat rate of reimbursement, but can earn bonuses basically by meeting certain goals like implementing electronic medical records, e-prescribing, meeting certain quality measures, etc. I think those are all great ideas, but those things can be expensive and cumbersome to implement. I think the ACA accomplished a lot of good, but it's still a for-profit system, and a single payer system would be more efficient and would control costs for everyone.
Holy shit I just wrote a novel. 😳
So true! Wakeupfan420, you know your shit! 
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I love to give information when I can! Also, TGIF...I need a beer after that one! LOL 😜🍻
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More people can, so now people do, so it's harder to get an appointment and quality of care goes down, etc.
In countries that have universal heathcare is this a problem? I watched Aaron Carrol (from Stand up with Pete Dominic) and he broke down England's system and how they test for breast cancer, but how 5-year survival rates are the same for the US and England, and in US we are tested more and earlier? He has a youtube series called Health Triage, they cover all sorts of topics, it's pretty interesting.
I don't agree with this statement above though, People will get sick, it is just wether they have access to a Dr to treat it, or they don't have access and get sick and die, or decide to go to the hospital for something smaller because that is the only option they have.
I had private insurance from about 18 years old until i was 26 (i'm 28, so this is recent), then i got married and went on the husband's work insurance. I've always had high deductibles, and co-insurance and whatever that crap is after you've reached your deductible, that additional money you are forced to pay, idk what it is. I also NEVER go to the doctor, no pre-existing conditions. I started paying like $80 then it kept going up and up and less and less was covered and out of pockets were more and more, at the end i was paying like $200, but god forbid i ever did get sick, i would have to pay a total of like $16K before insurance took over fully. FYI - thats like 2-days in the hospital. So something does need to change because the current system is not working. How can someone making $15/hr (just hypothetical, not saying that should be minimum wage) with 1 dependent and actually needs medicine/dr visits afford that? My mother had cancer and has to forever take some meds and my Dad has a chronic thyroid issue they pay $1200/month for insurance! How is that even affordable for most? My mom is contemplating stopping doing what she loves to just get a job that has health insurance.
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More people can, so now people do, so it's harder to get an appointment and quality of care goes down, etc.
In countries that have universal heathcare is this a problem? I watched Aaron Carrol (from Stand up with Pete Dominic) and he broke down England's system and how they test for breast cancer, but how 5-year survival rates are the same for the US and England, and in US we are tested more and earlier? He has a youtube series called Health Triage, they cover all sorts of topics, it's pretty interesting.
I don't agree with this statement above though, People will get sick, it is just wether they have access to a Dr to treat it, or they don't have access and get sick and die, or decide to go to the hospital for something smaller because that is the only option they have.
I had private insurance from about 18 years old until i was 26 (i'm 28, so this is recent), then i got married and went on the husband's work insurance. I've always had high deductibles, and co-insurance and whatever that crap is after you've reached your deductible, that additional money you are forced to pay, idk what it is. I also NEVER go to the doctor, no pre-existing conditions. I started paying like $80 then it kept going up and up and less and less was covered and out of pockets were more and more, at the end i was paying like $200, but god forbid i ever did get sick, i would have to pay a total of like $16K before insurance took over fully. FYI - thats like 2-days in the hospital. So something does need to change because the current system is not working. How can someone making $15/hr (just hypothetical, not saying that should be minimum wage) with 1 dependent and actually needs medicine/dr visits afford that? My mother had cancer and has to forever take some meds and my Dad has a chronic thyroid issue they pay $1200/month for insurance! How is that even affordable for most? My mom is contemplating stopping doing what she loves to just get a job that has health insurance.
I don't know if you guys are familiar with Freakonomics, but they have a podcast and one of the authors who is an economist at the University of Chicago basically said that Obamacare from an economic standpoint does not make sense. It's a really interesting topic. The pre-existing conditions thing is necessary but at the same time, driving up the costs for other consumers, so I don't really know what the solution is. It seems like a broken system.
Their main thing (or it could have been another podcast I listen to occasionally called Only Human) was that they thought cutting out unnecessary testing (testing where it is extremely unlikely that the person has whatever they are testing for) is what needs to be done to drive costs down. Unfortunately, though, then the doctors become liable and there could be lawsuits if they miss something.
It's really hard, and I have no idea what the solution is, because you want individualized care but at the same time it seems there needs to be some standardization to ensure a protocol to protect doctors from lawsuits if they don't request as much testing for the sake of trying to fix the system.
I think I have also heard that we pay more for health care per person than other nations, which is interesting. I am not sure exactly why that is, but it could be because of the obesity epidemic (leading to a diabetes epidemic) and other lifestyle factors.
Apparently, according to my cousin's fiance who works in healthcare insurance, insurance companies are now offering monetary incentives to doctors if their patients do not develop any sort of chronic conditions to try to encourage preventative practice in the first place, which is interesting and seems like a good direction to go in.
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