I thought it was a good start. Taylor is at a point where she realizes everything isn't black or white. That's good, because she can recognize that she made the mistake of being judgmental about things in the past. And, she is starting to see that there are shades of gray. (not 50 of them though...)
My thoughts -
I don't think her parents intentionally wanted to do this to her. They were acting out how they were raised and did their best to impart their values to their children. I hope they don't feel like they did something wrong, because they didn't. (The story about Zach broke my heart) I went to catholic school (my family is not catholic, Christian, but if you sent your kids to private school it was that or Lutheran) I understand the tremendous amount of fear that puts into you. I always felt like everything will end you to hell and everything is right or wrong. I always took issue with it. When everyone was going to Catechism, my parents said I could go if I wanted and be confirmed. (They would be happy if I wanted to go to church) I had a conversation with the priest and told him that I didn't want to do it because it seemed to hypocritical to me. luckily for me he was great and took my conversation serious. He said that he understand and if I felt that way I didn't have to do it. he also said don't let Catholicism be a deterrent from Christianity and having a relationship with god. So many people are conflicted about religion because of right and wrong. Taylor picked up on the wrong, and sees that in life it's a little tricky.
I'm glad Dr. Jenn was there. I hope she stayed around and was able to continue the conversation with Tay. Dr. Wider too, as silly as she is, she really is concerned for Taylor and everyone wants to see her just be a "whole" person.
I hope Taylor really takes everyone's advice and she can stop feeling bad. She feels bad about her body, bad about the thought of enjoying sex. Nothing is bad, I hope she gets it.

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MyFatherIsADoctor wrote:

Why would you let your 10 year old listen to Como Radio?!?!. Too bad she didn't take Taylor's advice and stop listening.

and 10-year old Zac wouldn't know what a blow job is. 

^#3 because they're all kind of true. It just depends how she spins it. She was at a bar, with Nicole who already had her reception job. And it wasn't an actual Sirius function, but people Nicole worked with were there. Taylor probably would never have been at the bar, with that crowd of people, if Nicole had not already had the job. Then she still had to go audition. They didn't just automatically give her the job. And of course Nicole was trying to work her way up so she was auditioning for things, too.

I'm not really sure what the point of this was. Taylor didn't talk about anything specific--how has her sex life been since getting divorced? How was it when she was married? If they can't talk about those things, what was the point of all of this? It was just one generality after another and that's boring. People NEED details or facts or new info to stay interested.

I think some of Taylor's dislike of sex is a control thing. She doesn't like being intimate and sexy with a partner because she always has to be "right" and "adored" and "the lady" and lowering herself to give a blowjob would negate all of that. She knows men love and need sex, so she's not giving in. If that makes sense.

Great points above! I also would have liked them to explore more of the following:
1. When she did used to touch her vag all the time, how did it feel for her? If the answer is "good" why not continue that as an adult.
2. When she got married, did she become less guilty about sex? I myself felt guilt having premarital sex, and then after I got married, it all washed away.
3. I once heard her say on the show that she could probably have an orgasm just from stimulating her breasts. So the question would be, so you know what makes you feel good so what keeps you from pursuing more of that?

Also, one nod to B. Shortly after the divorce she would say things like, "in my marriage we did not have [great] sex" as if it was B's issue. I'm recalling the 2nd or 3rd time she was on Sam' show. I know everything is multifaceted but knowing her issues, that's not really fair to B.

Also, I liked that Kenny told her on Thursday's (I think) show that her saying she's never watched porn makes people feel judged. Nice Kenny!

Finally, I kind of wish Sam was there. He's been able to get a lot out of her. I just miss him in general too.

Kenny is incorrect. Taylor does this all the time as well.You cannot, in any way, ever, make someone feel an emotion, including being judged.  We are responsible for our reactions.

Yeah but a lot of people look at Taylor as a friend. And when I friend chasticizes somethjing you do, you feel judged and hurt. Being judgemental hurts people.

meepmeep wrote:

Zara81 wrote:

Yeah but a lot of people look at Taylor as a friend. And when I friend chasticizes somethjing you do, you feel judged and hurt. Being judgemental hurts people.

I disagree. The comment is a circumstance which is out of our control. But you have the choice to feel judged or not feel judged about it. I did not listen to this segment but how is Taylor never watching a porn chastising you if you have watched one?
 

 
It's not the "I've never watched a porn." It's everything she adds after the fact. Even during the Taylor vention she had to take jabs at porn stars and strippers etc.

So_Anyways wrote:

I'm not really sure what the point of this was. Taylor didn't talk about anything specific--how has her sex life been since getting divorced? How was it when she was married? If they can't talk about those things, what was the point of all of this? It was just one generality after another and that's boring. People NEED details or facts or new info to stay interested.

I think some of Taylor's dislike of sex is a control thing. She doesn't like being intimate and sexy with a partner because she always has to be "right" and "adored" and "the lady" and lowering herself to give a blowjob would negate all of that. She knows men love and need sex, so she's not giving in. If that makes sense.

respectfully, tho it was a sex-tervention, I imagine some things are going to and need to remain private vs. how she has been sooooooo sharing of everything.  I think one point of it, tho it was aimed at Taylor, was to let it resonate to probably millions of people in the audience who suffer in this area. I do think the control thing is accurate but I think it is control of herself.  I think tay is not able to let herself be vulnerable which is something u have to b able to do to enjoy sex. we'll see how she grows.

OMG  u r so right. I couldn't enjoy sex either if I was still so attached to my parents.  in retrospect, it seems tay has found herself in a job that is so opposite of who she is.  not just the sex but the profanity, the over sharing the gossipping. of course all the stuff I love but I wonder if she finds herself stuck in the middle of being all cosmopolitan but also being a good little girl.  I love my parents too but I was pretty much done talking about them (not loving them) by the time I got to high school.

Cosmolover wrote:

I thought it was a good start. Taylor is at a point where she realizes everything isn't black or white. That's good, because she can recognize that she made the mistake of being judgmental about things in the past. And, she is starting to see that there are shades of gray. (not 50 of them though...)
My thoughts -
I don't think her parents intentionally wanted to do this to her. They were acting out how they were raised and did their best to impart their values to their children. I hope they don't feel like they did something wrong, because they didn't. (The story about Zach broke my heart) I went to catholic school (my family is not catholic, Christian, but if you sent your kids to private school it was that or Lutheran) I understand the tremendous amount of fear that puts into you. I always felt like everything will end you to hell and everything is right or wrong. I always took issue with it.
I'm glad Dr. Jenn was there. I hope she stayed around and was able to continue the conversation with Tay. Dr. Wider too, as silly as she is, she really is concerned for Taylor and everyone wants to see her just be a "whole" person.I hope Taylor really takes everyone's advice and she can stop feeling bad. She feels bad about her body, bad about the thought of enjoying sex. Nothing is bad, I hope she gets it.

do u remember what was the story about Zach?  I think that one got by me

thanks wake up fan.  i missed that part. i wonder if zach struggles as much as tay.  probably not.  seems first borns always have more heaped on them than later borns